My miss is hitting it fat, so I was especially concerned with how bending them strong would affect bounce. The club only has .5 degrees of bounce as it is. OK, quick question. So glad this was posted. - Chick Evans, Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons, Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper, I will add a little to what was posted above. people hit it further because of stronger lofts is such a wifes tale. Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. Espana. Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. As a lifelong golfer, a student of the game and having made my living in the golf equipment industry for 40-plus years, I have made it a study to observe golfers of all skill levels as they try to figure out this crazy and very difficult game. I draw the ball naturally so I dont want too much offset on the clubs, I think it will be easier if I just go and get some wedges to sort out the gapping issue. The new grooves should also be mentioned as allowing the ball to slide up the face a little more compared to the older grooves. The basic fundamentals of striking a golf ball have not changed nearly as much as golf club technology, and those fundamentals have their roots dating back a hundred years to Bobby Jones and his peers or even further. Hes happy to answer any of your questions! Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid Some get more spin, some less. First, is it safe to have P790s bent that much? Maybe its conceptually challenging but when all sets came 3-PW with heads the size of your pinky-toe, golfers either left their 3 iron home or just used it for low punch shots back to the fairway; back then, a well-hit 6 iron would outdistance an over-muscled 3 iron seven times out of 10. Bettinardi Studio Stock SS28, Didn't think of that. Callaway MD 3 48 bent to 50 KBS 610 S+ Distance is fine, but I have an overly high flight in the wind. It was suggested that I would bring my launch and spin down a bit with making my irons 1-2 stronger. Plus, those superlight steel shafts in the 85-90 gram range feel like a softer flex than what is listed, probably due to the thinner steel in the shaft. When you make the club loft stronger you decrease loft, when you make it weaker you increase the loft. If you're a digger already, could make for deeper digging! You hit the golf ball off of the heel of the club often causing the golf ball to hook or pull, You are playing clubs too short for you (again. By adding loft, those golfers achieve more ideal launch conditions, which means they carry shots farther and stop the ball faster on the green. It is amazing how much higher/lower similar irons can perform, in terms of player level. Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. Thanks! The GI/SGI clubs are basically directed to help players with lesser abilities to hit the golf ball, usually that also means lower swing speeds. Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. I do know a typical modern club the PW has the loft of like an older blade 8 iron. Being a golf club designer and marketer, I certainly know that there are gains to be made in your efficiency by availing yourself of the right modern equipment. Thanks everybody for the help! Odyssey 2-ball Pro-Type milled face putter. What affect would bending an iron 2 degrees stronger have? I'm curious what effect bending the irons 1 or 2 degrees strong would have on the irons playability. I know for people with slower swing speeds these crazy lofted, ultimate SGI irons are perfect. I think that makes a difference. My advice would be to start by making sure the lofts are set to manufacturers specs. Pasted as rich text. I would be using it off the ground as well, a little of both. 1 for 1, loft for bounce. On GI long irons vs players irons have different width soles, are the effects of bounce differ between the two if the loft is a degree stronger? if we move from a "high launch" to a Low launch shaft, who reduce loft by 2* we also lost 2* bounce. I wouldn't feel comfortable messing with the bounce/offset/loft. Just about every club that leaves the factory won't be 100% spot on for loft, manufacturing tolerances are going to throw that out. After the death of his mother, Endycott understandably struggled through the late teens, understandably saying that, At the time, golf didnt really matter to me.. Tiger Woods plays his irons in weaker lofts and he doesnt seem to have any distance issues! To do this I will need to bend the 6 iron - PW 1 degree stronger. What if I get those numbers with a 7-iron, or a 5-iron? However, recent form has shown the real Grant, with back-to-back class efforts at Torrey Pines and Pebble Beach, where at the former he led an elite field after a first-round 64. Decided to get lofts and lie's double checked on my irons for peace of mind and following a gap check session get them bent 2 degree strong to the original manufacturer loft spec. This happens probably most frequently with wedges, when a person wants to play 3 instead of 4 wedges for example. Compare that with 49-year-old Atwal, with a best of 49th place since 2021 and an average first-round placing of around 120th for his three starts in 2023, and Scott Brown, admittedly a former winner here, but now 719th in the world and who has, since September, withdrawn twice during tournaments, and missed his last two cuts (Pebble and Honda) ranking 99th and 136th for his first round he certainly looks wrong in every way. Yes for that particular Ball Speed, the ball can not carry any further with a better stopping power than with those conditions. If you want to simply hit the ball further, find an iron that launches really high and spins really low, you will knuckle ball the shot a long ways, but odds are you will not be able to control yardages or stop the ball under most conditions. Its ball speed not loft that is increasing distance. In 11 starts since gaining his place at the top level, the 26-year-old has made four cuts, including a first-time-out 12th at the Fortinet, 10th in Bermuda (led after a first round 62), 22nd at the American Express 7th after day one) and top-30 at the Plantation Course last week. I know that for every degree strong I bend it, it will take a degree off the bounce. Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34" -or- Cleveland Huntington Beach #1, 34.5" -or- Golden Ram TW Custom, 34" -or- Rife Bimini, 34" The bounce will be irrelevant to begin with in that case anyway. Strengthening adds offset, the sole of the club is effectively moved back, the hosel is fixed, therefore the leading edge of the sole moves away from the ball, adding offset. Its taking up to 2 degrees off each iron. What bounce does is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. Todays golf ball travels farther than ever before and I dont see any need to jack up the short iron lofts. Or Ping Glide Stealth, 54,58 SS. Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? Yes, I'm a club gigolo. Check out the different lie angles of a standard 8 iron from these three companies: I know that the difference between these angles doesnt seem like much. In the fittings I do on a golf radar, I see all types of swings and golfers of different ability levels, so the variances in fittings can be dramatic. What's In The Bag (Summary as of October 2021, post-MAX changeover), Driver: Tour Edge EXS10.5, set 9.5;weights neutral ||FWs:CallaRogue4W + 7W, Hybrid: Calla Big Bertha OS4H at 22 ||Irons:Calla Mavrik MAX 5i-PW, Wedges*: Calla MD3:48MD4: 54, 58||Putter:Slotline Inertial SL-583F w/ SuperStroke 2.MidSlim (50 gr. I suspect Ill be waiting a very long time, Amen, finally some one with great insight. The sole on that thing is tiny compared to any driving iron and I still had no trouble hitting it off the deck. I would advise you to not try it yourself unless you have experience in doing so professionally. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid Even the most skilled repair professionals can occasionally break a club. Manage your expectations, dont expect to hit every shot close, Make smarter club choices based off the above, Be sensible: The middle of the green is a GREAT place to be, The average golfer will get up and down from a bunker, 1 out of 5 times, The average golfer manages to get up and down around 1 in 3 times, Short game shots from the fairway have the highest success rate. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. Any knowledge on the subject would be appreciated. 2. Guess I dont get it. But when I show them the results on golf radar, which can be as much as 5-to-10 yards more carry distance, they start to get it. Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? I wouldn't feel comfortable messing with the bounce/offset/loft. So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. Whether you can still hit the ball in the air and make good contact is dependent on your swing. So if you have the time, watch this cool video that I really like explaining how important lie angle is for your golf game: Having and knowing the correct lie angle of your clubs will be a game changer, I promise! I was being fitted for MP-4's and the ball flight with the kbs tour x was a little higher than i wanted so my fitter was able to bend it strong incrementally by 1 degree to flatten out the ball flight for me. I bent them 4 degrees strong to keep my flight down as I hit moon balls with my X700 shafts hardstepped X3 ", Ping G400 Testing G410. Uneven lies can vary more than an inch, and based on club geometry that is 1.6* right there, and I can't say I had much effect on the playability of the club. Including me. NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! The main reason it is done on GolfWRX is so people can brag how far they hit their irons, generally with a passive brag. I find Callaway irons have to much bounce to begin with esp. More photos from the event here. for the better golfer, these lofts leave nothing at the bottom of the bag. There was only an added 2 yards with the stronger lofts of trackman. I should have made the same swing with a 9 iron, to compensate for the lie, but did not. Sounds like it's a long iron. The 2 that were out the most went from 'avoided' clubs to 'favourites'! If you are a true sweeper that may be ok but you may not see that big distance gain you are hoping for. TM Spider Mallet w/ Carbon insert As club fitters, you have to find the balance between measurable results and what the customer THINKS is happening. Good point. Hybrid: Cobra King Tec 2h, MMT 80 S -or- TEE CBX 17*, HZRDUS 85 6.0, 2 iron: Mizuno MP-20 HMB, Steelfiber i95 S, 39.5", Irons grab bag: 1-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; 1-PW Golden Ram TW282, RIP Tour 115 R; 3-AW Pinhawk Vertex irons, Apollo std stepped S Thanks for the insight! For example, the first generation M2 5-iron has a loft of 21.5. I found it astonishing that by moving my hands that much forward at impact gain nearly 30 yards. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, By Hi! The so-called "standard" lie angles are 9 iron at 64* with a spacing of 1 deg between clubs. i realize the distance and ball flight. What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. Reset Password Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5, Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. 4-6 more yards (depending on club and swing speed) and lower launch with less bounce. Ordering & Information Your email address will not be published. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. If you are taking big divots with a 2 iron you have some serious problems with your swing. Copyright 2023 Mitchell Golf Equipment Company. But, as lofts are strengthened the gaps become compressed on the long end and widened on the short. Titleist 818 H1 19 HybridMiura CB-57 4-PW If the club has an abundance of bounce and/or a rounded leading edge, reducing bounce by 2* might not matter. This is even less a personal thing than the grip with very little variation, there is a single way to set up to a golf ball to help a good golf swing happen. The club was designed and built with certain characteristics. Will it affect offset? Display as a link instead, Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. We dive into a subject we get A LOT of questions about, bending your clubs properly. And why really do you need to do it besides being able to brag about hitting the ball farther? A lot of mixing and matching **. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It has been working really well for me. Potentially, this would mean the toe digs in and your shots go right (right handed). Or, is the bounce all the same? 3" = 4.6* and 6" = 9.2* change in loft. Generally though as you decrease theloft of a club by one degree, you reduce its bounce a degree at the same time and if you increase the loft by one degree you increase the bounce by a degree. This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. Late to the party but I was just searching this topic and saw your post, I just bought an old set of mizuno's that are bent 2* strong for the exact same reason as you stated above. of distance, and more playable iron trajectories. Thats not to say this exotic land doesnt bring a classy winner. But what about the mid and low irons, yes I understand some companies make 6/7 hybrids (7 and up is very rare), but you can not really replace an 8 iron with a true hybrid. Novak has made five cuts from seven starts since qualifying, with the most significant results being 17th in Bermuda (another wind-affected coastal course) 12th at the much higher-grade Sony Open and 29th at last weeks Honda Classic. Due to how DeChambeau delivers the club, his 4-iron has a stated loft of 16 degrees; the stock Ping i230 comes in at 22.5 degrees. Odyssey Pro #1 black Thankfully gone are the days of everyone demanding s300 S or X when they dont have the swing speed to support them. IG: golfer_scott That's what I did with my 4i: took out the 95 gram KBS shaft and replaced it with a 75-gram SteelFiber 780 HLS hybrid shaft. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. Lets assume that the launch angle with a modern-lofted set of irons is ideal. With added ball speed comes more launch. (others have mentioned) I went to GG with my pops and hit the speedblade 9i for sheets and was hitting them 165-170why? This is a dumb question but were you fit for them? The point is today, regardless of your skill level, if you work on making your grip and your set up closer to the proven fundamentals of the best players in the game, your path to better golf becomes infinitely easier. You may have heard golfers talk about how they need to use a flatter club or that they need to change their lie angle. If the added ball speed of modern irons is not enough to achieve an ideal landing angle, I have to add loft. 5-G KBS even notes it in the swing speed recommendations for their different model shafts, as their very lightweight steel shafts are about a full flex softer frequency than the standard weight counterpart. Say you have a modern set that is 3-PW, 19*-45*. A long iron doesn't have much bounce anyway since it was made to not take a big divot. Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X", Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions), Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). Most people won't hit a 2 iron off the fairway though, so they probably won't take a divot at all As far as bounce goes, do you really think a club going 100 mph is going to be affected by 2 less of bounce? Im also adding a 5 wood to the bag and changing to a 54/60 wedge set-up. Remember, the set is not necessarily progressively consistent from one club to another, and therefore each club should be checked. You are also all correct in that it is a long iron. A good tune-up is a good tune-up regardless of the final loft gaps. That means someone who has a ballflight thats too low, he delivers the head with less loft than needed, and by that less than the design of the head is meant to be played with, so he cant go wrong by tweaking lofts weaker.